PODCAST – Does your employer own you?

The Retro Lounge Podcast Series

Original air date: October 30, 2006 

Original description:

“Does your employer own you?”

Jim Stroud and Karen Mattonen yak, yak and yak some more on a hodgepodge of topics.

Here are some of the highlights:

  • Is it ethical to recruit six-year old strippers?
  • When will recruiter dolls hit the marketplace? (Shout-out to JobSyntax)
  • What’s wrong with my calling your company and recruiting all of your people?
  • Jim Stroud sings and it is a terrible thing.
  • Does your company own you? If so, how far can they go in protecting their invesment?
  • Fake schools, the diplomas they sell and how to spot them.
  • The cons of recruiting from blogs
  • Jim digs video resumes, but Karen poo-poos them
  • Karen shouts, “Attention resume writers! Objectives are evil!!!”
  • Jim says, “The best shows on television are on my DVR!”

Is Google evil?

Google dropped its motto – Don’t be evil in 2018. In 2020, I can see why. Tune in to see what I mean. #privacy #censorship #MindControl Big respect to DuckDuckGo!


Hi, I’m Jim Stroud and this is my podcast.

Back in May 2018, Google quietly removed its famous ‘Don’t be evil’ motto from the introduction to its code of conduct. As spotted by Gizmodo, the phrase was dropped from the preface of Google’s code of conduct in late April or early May. Until then, ‘Don’t be evil’ were the first words of the opening and closing sentences of Google’s code of conduct and have been part of it since 2000. So, I’m wondering, has Google been evil since removing its famous motto? I’ll share some recent, rather controversial, articles about Google and let you decide. Stay tuned.

Do you like junk food? Of course you do, who doesn’t? So, its likely you have some junk food in your cabinet or refrigerator. What if one of your friends was a personal trainer? They spot the junk food in your house and immediately begin tossing it in the trash . When you ask them what they’re doing. Their response is “trust me, its for your own good.” Most likely you would be offended because you rightly believe that you have the freedom to make your own decisions and that choice was taken away from you. Well, that’s kind of what Google is doing when it comes to their Google Drive system. If you store a video on your Google Drive that Google does not approve of, Google will remove it. Yes, I said what you just heard. Listen to these quotes from the website – Reclaim The Net.

Ever since Big Tech platforms started cracking down on what they deem to be coronavirus misinformation, the media has been willfully flagging alleged violations to social media companies and getting content taken down.

And now the file storage and sharing service Google Drive has started to take down users’ files in response to media complaints about them containing coronavirus misinformation.

In an article reporting on the takedown, The Washington Post’s Silicon Valley Correspondent Elizabeth Dwoskin complains that after the coronavirus documentary Plandemic was censored on social media, some YouTube clips were telling users how to access “banned footage” from the documentary via Google Drive.

She then notes that after The Washington Post contacted Google, Google Drive took down a file featuring the trailer for the Plandemic documentary.

The Plandemic trailer isn’t the only file that’s been censored on Google Drive in recent months.

After SpaceX and Tesla founder and CEO Elon Musk linked to what Dwoskin describes as a “questionable study” about the efficacy of the drug hydroxychloroquine in March, Google blocked access to the document.

For many Google Drive users, the service is their only file storage solution and they use it to save copies of videos and posts that have been deleted or censored on other platforms.

If this precedent continues, it could mean these users have their only copy of content that has been scrubbed from social media platforms taken down because they shared a link to those files with other people.

The takedown of the Plandemic file is reflective of the increasingly aggressive moderation standards big tech companies are employing when it comes to what users are allowed to say about the coronavirus.

Okay, another scenario. Imagine that you are in love or, something similar, and you take some rather provocative photos and videos intended to be seen only by your lover. Well, things happen, you break up and your racy photos and videos are online and easily found with a Google search on your name. Feeling extremely embarrassed, you contact Google and explain things. You tell them that it not only embarrasses you but, endangers your livelihood.  You even get a lawyer involved! Google’s response? Too bad. So sad. We will not remove a thing. Listen to these quotes from the NY Post.

…I pleaded with Google’s “Legal Removals” team to show mercy on 15 women I represented in a case against a porn company. My clients, all aged 18-22, had answered deceptive bikini-model ads and had become embroiled in a conspiracy to perform porn that resulted in some of them being raped before and during the shoots. These nonconsensual sex videos were then shared hundreds of thousands of times on popular porn sites.

We sent affidavits to Google urging them to remove the videos. Google’s policies dictate only two instances when they will remove content — child pornography and copyright-infringement requests.

The current policy says Google may remove nude or sexually explicit images that were shared without consent, but the company maintains sole discretion about when to remove nonconsensual pornography. If Google decides it will keep linking to a website that contains your nude images, victims are just out of luck. And there’s no appellate body. There is no law, only corporate policy, that protects (or fails to protect) victims’ most private information. Not even New York’s new revenge-porn laws help here because they are aimed at punishing the individual who nonconsensually shared the material and not the search engines that drive views.

Google knew these women had been tricked, held captive, sexually assaulted and humiliated and were suffering because of the exposure it was causing, but corporate interest dictated total indifference. To this day, Google will not remove those links from their search-engine results. The graphic evidence of abuse now haunts these women as they apply for jobs, use social media, seek roommates, date. Most of these women remain underemployed, terrified and unable to lead normal lives because Google won’t lift a finger on the basis of its cynical corporate policy.

Google is the number one search engine in the world. According to Statcounter, Google handles 91.89% of all search engine searches. The second most popular search engine is Bing with 2.79% search engine market share. This gives Google an unprecedented amount of control over how we think. For example, if you have no knowledge about peanut butter sandwiches and you search Google for information then, chances are your views on peanut butter sandwiches will be formed by what you find on Google. Now imagine that instead of peanut butter sandwiches, you are curious about a political candidate.

In an undercover video from the media company – Project Veritas, a Google Insider exposed the bias that Google has against President Trump. In no uncertain terms, they were very much against him politically and are determined to do all they can to prevent his reelection. Now, no matter where you are on the political spectrum, this should concern you. In effect, Google is taking delight in steering your thoughts so you think the way they want you to think. Listen to this clip from Project Veritas that exposes Jen Gennai, Head of Responsible Innovation at Google and others.

This report was suppressed by the mainstream media which is why you might not have heard a lot about it or anything about it, prior to this podcast. However, it did reach the attention of some people in Washington. Listen to this exchange between Senator Ted Cruz and Google User Experience Director, Maggie Stanphil during a Senate hearing on June 25, 2019.


Did you hear any remorse in that testimony from Google? I didn’t either. If Google’s indifference towards manipulating search results to guide your way of thinking does not bother you nor, its censorship of information that you keep in your private Google Drive nor its lax attitude towards removing embarrassing data that threatens your way of life then, I have one more consideration that is sure to bother you indeed. I’ll share that, right after this.

How do you feel about Google knowing you better than your friends and family? Even if you’ve done nothing wrong and “have nothing to hide,” what about the potential of hackers getting personal information and using it to steal from you or harm your reputation or endanger the lives of people you associate with?

John Battelle is an entrepreneur, author and journalist. Among his claims to fame, is helping to launch WIRED magazine, founding the annual Web 2.0 Summit and his popular book, “The Search: How Google and Its Rivals Rewrote the Rules of Business and Transformed Our Culture,” describes the history and impact of search engines and the late emergence of Google from a field of competitors. He also writes the blog – “Searchblog” where one of his readers asked him a very interesting question back in 2006.

His reader asked,” Does Google keep logs of searches correlated with IP address or other personally identifiable information for users who have not logged in?”

John Batelle answered, “I knew it kept parts of this data, but was not sure. So I pinged Google PR, which checked in for me (thanks!). The response was to quote Google’s privacy FAQ:

Like most Web sites, our servers automatically record the page requests made when users visit our sites. These “server logs” typically include your web request, Internet Protocol address, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and one or more cookies that may uniquely identify your browser. In other words, yes, Google does record this data. But, does it KEEP that data, I asked?

The answer: Yes, we do.

Now that was in 2006. Google now has a service called Google Takeout that lets you download your data from its various services. But, to quote C|net

“…just because you set Google not to track your online or offline activity doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve closed off your data to Google completely. Google has admitted it can track your physical location even if you turn off location services using information gathered from Wi-Fi and other wireless signals near your phone. Also, just like Facebook has been guilty of doing for years, Google doesn’t even need you to be signed in to track you.

Not to mention, there are sometimes seeming contradictions between Google’s statements on privacy issues. For example, Google recently admitted to scanning your Gmail messages to compile a list of your purchases in spite of publicly declaring in a 2018 press release, “To be absolutely clear: no one at Google reads your Gmail, except in very specific cases where you ask us to and give consent, or where we need to for security purposes, such as investigating a bug or abuse.” Perhaps by “no one” Google meant “no human,” but in an age of increasingly powerful AI, such a distinction is practically moot.


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Immunity Passports are EVIL! This is why…

Immunity passports restrict personal freedoms and put your privacy at risk. I discuss the history of this very bad idea, how it evolved for modern times and why it may be too late to stop it. Email me your comments and I may feature them in a future episode.

Resources related to this podcast:

  • World Health Organization Advises Against Immunity Passports | Digital Trends https://buff.ly/3cQAyGZ
  • Emirates Airlines testing passengers for COVID-19 https://buff.ly/2WFCY6e
  • The Chinese QR codes being used to curb coronavirus – Reuters https://buff.ly/3g0VJJ2
  • Immunity Passports: A “New” Old Idea With Baggage | Global Policy Journal https://buff.ly/2LBwkr6
  • What is a Covid-19 immunity passport? https://buff.ly/2TcwWrB
  • Emirates becomes first airline to conduct on-site rapid COVID-19 tests for passengers https://buff.ly/34JJ7k3
  • ‘Immunity Passports’ Could Create a New Category of Privilege https://buff.ly/2VBV093

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Cyberstalking Is On The Rise

With so many people sheltered in place, thanks to Covid-19, people with nothing to do are doing more cyberstalking. I’ll tell you more about that, the traditional and the new ways cyberstalking is happening and what you can do about it. Stay tuned.


Hi, I’m Jim Stroud and this is my podcast.

Do you know what cyberstalking is? You probably do but just in case you do not, I will define it this way. Cyberstalking is using online technology to embarrass, threaten, or harass someone. And with so many people sheltered in place, thanks to Covid-19, people with nothing to do are doing more cyberstalking. I’ll tell you more about that, the traditional and the new ways cyberstalking is happening and what you can do about it. Stay tuned.

I stumbled across an interesting article from the UK based website – The Telegraph. Essentially, the articles citied how charities were reporting that cyberstalking was on the rise during the Covid-19 lockdown, when more people were online and vulnerable to hacking. Listen to this quote.

Stalkers are exploiting social media and new apps like House party to record a 26 per cent increase in harassment of victims during lockdown, say charities and police.

They warn that the proportion of victims being targeted online has risen to 70 per cent as their stalkers exploit security flaws in the apps either to directly pursue them or install tracking or surveillance devices onto their phones.

Veritas Justice, a Sussex-based charity supporting victims of stalking, said that the increasing time that people were spending online cooped up in lockdown had helped fuel the 26 per cent rise in requests for help or new callers in the past six weeks.

Claudia Miles, co-director of Veritas Justice, said House party, a social conferencing app popularised by lockdown, had been cited by victims, as had a new feature on Snapchat for  friends of friends to join a group as well as even games consoles….

Another UK website, The Guardian, reported on the same trend too. Here is a quote from one of their articles.

Stalking support services and police forces have recorded a surge in perpetrators turning to online tactics to harass their victims during the coronavirus lockdown. Paladin, a national stalking advocacy service, and the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, which runs the stalking helpline, reported a surge in cyberstalking involving social media, messaging apps and emails in the first four weeks of the lockdown.

Both of the quotes were from articles posted in the first week of May 2020. If you were to do a keyword search on cyberstalking on Google News or DuckDuckGo, my favorite search engine, you will see what I am looking at now; a whole lot of drama.

Cyberstalking is not on the decline by any means, in fact some of the methods have gone mainstream. Have you heard of the MTV show – Catfishing? {Play part of the clip} Catfishing occurs on social media sites when online stalkers create fake user profiles and approach their victims as a friend of a friend or expressing romantic interest. To look more like a real person, cyberstalkers sometimes copy the profiles of existing users, impersonating their identities.

Now is that the only way people tend to cyberstalk?  Oh, no. There are methods a plenty. Here are some quotes from NordVPN detailing various methods.

Some of the ways cyberstalkers track their victims are:

Monitoring location check-ins on social media

If you’re adding location check-ins to your Facebook and Instagram posts, you’re making it super easy for a cyber stalker to track you by simply scrolling through your social media profiles. When combined together, location-tagged posts can indicate your behavior patterns quite accurately.

Visiting you virtually via Google Maps Street View

If a cyberstalker discovers their victim’s home address, all they have to do is open Google Maps and type it in. By using Street View, they can see exactly how your home looks without even stepping into your neighborhood and drawing attention. Cyberstalkers can also virtually research your environment, surrounding houses, cameras, and alleys, to get a sense about the neighbors.

Hijacking your webcam

Hijacking a computer’s webcam is one of the creepiest methods cyberstalkers use to invade their victims’ privacy. Creepers would try to trick you into downloading and installing a malware-infected file that would grant them access to your webcam.

Installing stalkerware

Another increasingly popular and menacing way perpetrators keep tabs on their victims is by using stalkerware. This is any type of legitimate software or spyware that can be used to monitor someone’s activities through their device. It can track your location, make audio recordings, and enable access to your texts and browsing history.

Looking at geotags to track your location

Internet stalkers love geotags – and for a good reason. Every digital picture you take may contain geotags, which are pieces of metadata revealing where and when the photo was taken.

Now these tactics for cyberstalking are probably familiar to you. Perhaps you have seen them on TV or in a movie or been the unfortunate recipient of them. Well, if these were not bad enough, there are new ways cyberstalkers are tracking their victims. I’ll share those with you, after this.

The Weinberger Divorce and Family Law Group posted an article recently called – 4 New Ways Abusers Are Cyberstalking In 2020 — And What You Can Do To Protect Yourself. I will link to it from my website JimStroud.com. I highly recommend reading the full article. For now, a few quotes.

New Cyberstalking Tool: Your Car

Everything these days is connected to some kind of smartphone app, including many newer model cars that offer owners the opportunity to check on their vehicle any time via a PC, smartphone, or tablet. For example, if you buy a new Acura, the manufacturer touts that “your vehicle’s vital statistics are easily accessed, GPS tracking and ‘find my Acura’ are available, and diagnostics can be run on command, all from your fingertips via a series of apps.” Most car manufacturers, including Buick and General Motors, BMW, Honda, Cadillac, Chrysler, Volvo, Mercedes and Land Rover offer similar apps.

How you can protect yourself:  If you know or strongly suspect that your car is connected to an app that is being used abusively as a tool of stalking, report this activity to the police. You can make a report to the police and they may be able to help you obtain app store records to see if any such app was ever placed on the abuser’s phone and the amount of use the app has had. As part of any restraining order issued, deleting any such app may be part of the order.

Upwards of 30% of stalking cases involve GPS tracking. If you have an older car, ask a skilled mechanic to check your car over for small GPS trackers that can be affixed almost anywhere on a car.

New Cyberstalking Tool: Smart Gadgets

High tech doorbells, garage door openers, thermostats, streaming music devices, fitness trackers, refrigerators, and even internet-enabled toys — any device or gadget that can be operated remotely through apps can be used as a tool of surveillance, stalking and harassment.

How to protect yourself: Most gadgets can be disabled through reset buttons and/or changing a home’s Wi-Fi password. Before you bring a new smart gadget into your home, read up on cyber security and what you need to do to keep your gadget safe from interference. Save the box and information booklet in case you need any serial numbers and can refer to the instruction manual to correctly program the gadget for extra security.

And this next tip is specific for people in a divorce situation…

New Cyberstalking Tool: Smartphones Given to Kids

Your ex has been combative with you over paying child support, which is why you are surprised to find out that your child has been given a shiny new iPhone. Your ex says the smartphone is a way to more easily “stay in touch” with your child’s everyday life. This could be the truth, or the smartphone may be a “hiding in plain sight” tracking tool.

Don’t ignore red flags. If there is a tracking app or spyware on the phone, the phone could spike really high data usage, as it’s fairly common for such apps to use GPS and roaming data to monitor the phone’s location and ping back to the app. Does the phone’s battery run down a lot quicker than it should, and stay warm even when idle? Does the phone screen remain lit when you try to turn the screen off, or light up when you’re not doing anything? Do other apps on the phone run slower than expected? Are unfamiliar applications running in the background? Does it take forever to shut down? Are you running into ex more unexpectedly than usual when you are out with your child? All of these could be warning signs that your child’s new phone is actually a tracking device.

How to protect yourself:  As a quick fix, turn the phone’s cell data off when your child is not using it; this will disable most apps on the phone. When in doubt, you can also simply give the smartphone back and provide alternate means of communication, such as a set time to Skype using your computer. Or you can provide a “dumb phone” that only has the most basic phone and text functions.

That article I quoted has even more tips like that. I’m going to link to it and add even more resources on my blog concerning this issue because there is a lot more to be said. In the interim, while you are doing all you can to protect yourself from the Covid-19  Coronavirus, don’t forget there are other security measures you should be considering.


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Should college education be free?

Due to the Coronavirus, college education has ceased in some places and gone exclusively online in others. From a dollars and cents perspective, why pay full price for something when you are not getting the full value? Students are demanding refunds or at the least, partial repayments. Colleges are refusing, citing ongoing expenses as the reason why. This brings to mind a recurring debate;  should college education be tuition free? I debate it. | Courtesy of Proactive Talent (www.proactivetalent.com)


Hi, I’m Jim Stroud and this is my podcast.

The Coronavirus has made the world stand still, if only for a little while. But life must go on and when it does, what will it look like? I’ve been wondering that myself lately as I try to view the world of my daughter who’s enrolled in college. She, like so many other college students, are in a bit of a quandry. College education has ceased in some places and gone exclusively online in others. From a dollars and cents perspective, why pay full price for something when you are not getting the full value? If you are the parent of a college student, no doubt you know what I mean. And as all this is happening, an old debate comes to mind, should college education be free? Some people say that free education is the future of college education. I’m going to share both sides of that argument after this message from my sponsor.

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There is a ranging debate going on right now over big tuition refunds. Students want their money back or at least, some of it. On the other side, colleges say that the transition to online classes has not changed their regular expenses. The website Quartz wrote a long article about it and here are some quotes reflecting both arguments. First, the student viewpoint…

The coronavirus pandemic has sent students at residential colleges careening back to their families’ homes. And they want their money back.

“Zoom university is not worth 50k a year,” one New York University student declared in a petition for a partial tuition refund that has so far accumulated more than 11,600 signatures.

The NYU appeal is just one among a wave of petitions and lawsuits demanding partial refunds for the spring semester, as students argue that the costs of their education don’t reflect the switch to online classes. Meanwhile, students and parents looking ahead to the possibility that online learning will continue into the fall semester are wondering whether they’ll get their money’s worth from tuition—a question that’s gained urgency as record US unemployment levels force families to reevaluate their spending.

It’s perfectly logical that students are up in arms about tuition. In the US, the average sticker price at a private college is $36,801 per year, while in-state rates for public universities average $10,116 a year. These amounts are meant to reflect the value of what’s being taught, but also students’ ability to experience in-person interactions with their professors and peers, not to mention things like evening programming and extracurricular activities. And research suggests that students tend to learn less from online classes than they do in face-to-face courses.

And now, let’s hear the issue from the vantage point of college institutions.

“When we had to shift to online education, that shift saved us not one penny in salary costs,” says David Feldman, a professor of economics at The College of William & Mary and co-author of the 2010 book Why Does College Cost So Much?

Faculty salaries and benefits account for nearly a third of expenses at US research schools, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Amid the pandemic, professors are still teaching the same courses, and their workloads have actually gone up as they’ve rushed to convert their classes to new online formats. Administrative and other non-teaching staff, who make up more than half of college and university employees, are still working too, with many mental-health counselors, admissions officers, and the like shifting their jobs to an online format.

Meanwhile, Feldman says, colleges are spending more money to invest in technology that will allow students and faculty to meet online, and IT workers are putting in overtime to help faculty navigate online-learning tools.

As for the dorms, classrooms, gyms, and other facilities sitting empty, colleges still have to maintain the buildings and their campuses in order to have them ready for students when they do eventually open their doors again.

When I read that article, it reminded me of the free college debate. I heard it several times over the years, most recently from Bernie Sanders when he was running for President.   I’ve heard students argue for it as well but, when I do, their arguments were far from convincing. The leader of the million student march Keely Mullen debated the issue with Fox personality Keely Mullen back in 2012 and this was part of the exchange.  As I said, not very convincing.

I can see the issue from both sides and will lay out arguments for free education and arguments against free education, after this.


I wish I could take credit for the extensive research behind these arguments, but truth be told, I discovered them on the website ProCon.org. I will now repeat some of what I read there, arguments pro and con to free college tuition and end it with what I think.  First, the PRO arguments…

PRO-ARGUMENT #1: Tuition-free college will help decrease crippling student debt. If tuition is free, students will take on significantly fewer student loans. Student loan debt in the United States exceeds $1.5 trillion. 44.2 million Americans have student loan debt, and 10.7% of those borrowers are in default. [1][2] The average 2016 graduate owed $37,172 in college loans. [2] Student loan debt has risen 130% since 2008, and public college costs have risen 213% between 1987 and 2017. [1][4] Students are coming out of college already buried under a mountain of debt before they have a chance to start their careers. [5]

PRO-ARGUMENT #2: The US economy and society has benefited from tuition-free college in the past. Nearly half of all college students in 1947 were military veterans, thanks to President Roosevelt signing the GI Bill in 1944 to ensure military servicemembers, veterans, and their dependents could attend college tuition-free. The GI Bill allowed 2.2 million veterans to earn a college education, and another 5.6 million to receive vocational training, all of which helped expand the middle class. [7][8][9] An estimated 40% of those veterans would not have been able to attend college otherwise. GI Bill recipients generated an extra $35.6 billion over 35 years and an extra $12.8 billion in tax revenue, resulting in a return of $6.90 for every dollar spent. [10]

PRO-ARGUMENT #3: Everyone deserves the opportunity to get a college education.
 Jamie Merisotis, President and CEO of the Lumina Foundation, stated, “A dramatic increase in the number of Americans with college credentials is absolutely essential for our economic, social and cultural development as a country.” [15] The rapid rise of tuition has limited access to higher education, which is essential in today’s workforce: three-quarters of the fastest-growing occupations now call for education beyond high school, according to the US Department of Education. [29] College graduates earn $570,000 more than a high school graduate over a lifetime, on average, and they have lower unemployment rates. [16] [17] Students from low- and moderate-income families are unable to afford as many as 95% of American colleges. [30]

And now, arguments against free college education

CON-ARGUMENT #1: Tuition-free college is not free college and students will still have large debts. Tuition is only one expense college students have to pay and accounts for 39.5% of total average college costs. [22] On average, in-state tuition at a public college costs $10,230 for each year. Fees, room, and board for on-campus housing are another $11,140. [23] Books and supplies are another $1,240, transportation adds $1,160, and other expenses cost another $2,120. Without tuition, college still costs an average of $15,660 per year. [22]

CON-ARGUMENT #2: Taxpayers would spend billions to subsidize tuition, while other college costs remained high. The estimated cost of Bernie Sanders’ free college program is $47 billion per year, and has states paying 33% of the cost, or $15.5 billion. [25] According to David H. Feldman, PhD, and Robert B. Archibald, PhD, both Professors of Economics at William & Mary College, “This will require tax increases, or it will force states to move existing resources into higher education and away from other state priorities like health care, prisons, roads and K-12 education.” [26]

CON-ARGUMENT #3: Tuition-free college will decrease completion rates, leaving students without the benefits of a full college education and degree. Jack A. Chambless, Economics Professor at Valencia College, said that with a free college program, “Potentially millions of young people who have no business attending college would waste their time — and taxpayer dollars — seeking degrees they will not obtain… Free tuition would dupe young people into a sense of belonging, only to find that their work ethic, intelligence and aptitude are not up to the rigors of advanced education.” [34]

Regarding that last argument… wow!  But, what do I think? Should college be free? Honestly, I think that’s the wrong question. I think the debate should be not if college should be free but, do we really need college to succeed? For so long, we have repeated the mantra that all students MUST go to college and without it, their chances at financial success decreases exponentially. I don’t think that’s true. From what I have seen, many people are being educated for work that will soon be done by machines. So, they will eventually graduate with HUGE student loan debt and be unable to find a job. I think it is high time, past time, that we as a society should promote trade education and apprenticeships. And I am happy to say, I am not the only one who thinks that way.

Listen to this clip from Andrew Yang as he discussed this issue of education with Joe Rogan.  Well said, gentlemen. Well, said.


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